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Was Jesus a Liar?

Cal Thomas has a post over on the FOX Forum titled Do They Think Jesus was a LiarThere is a lively comment thread over there as well, most of it people saying how you will burn if you do not accept Christ as your savior.  What Cal is commenting on is a recent Pew Forum survey.

I am shocked and appalled over a newly published survey by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. It finds most Americans believe there are many ways to salvation besides their own faith. Most disturbing of all is the majority of self-identified evangelical Christians who believe this.

Apparently they must think Jesus was a liar, or mistaken, when he said: “I am the way, the truth and the life; no man comes to the Father but by me.” Look it up.

What I think Cal is referring too is the gospel of John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The Questions was do they think Jesus was a liar and I have included myself in the they, and considering I don’t think Jesus “said” anything…. makes this difficult. The reference is in relation to what Jesus reportedly said… we have no idea of what Jesus may or may not of actually said since he left no actual writings behind. Technically at best what we have here is a case of hearsay… which would not even be allowed in court room testimony… so who was John and are we certain he was in the presence of Jesus when he supposedly said he is the only way to salvation, or in his presence for any of the quotes attributed to Jesus? No one knows really… and we are just supposed to take his word for it, based on faith alone? Also consider the issue that the gospel was written anytime between 30 -110 years after Jesus died.

This like most things with religion seems all to silly to me and just shows how divisive religion can be, b/c as Cal points

If there are many paths to heaven, Jesus suffered and died for nothing. He could have stayed in heaven, sent down a book of sayings and avoided crucifixion. Orthodox Christians have always believed – and their Bible teaches them — there is only one path to heaven and it is through Jesus Christ and him alone. One can believe whatever one wishes, but you can’t be considered a Christian without believing in this fundamental doctrine.

Its my way or the highway that is the true center of religion, it is all about we are right you’re wrong our book is really true yours is not. It’s about group think and conformity, which is increasingly challenged in our current multicultural society, no religion has any true special claim to truth or authority. When it comes right down to it there is no way to tell if it was just made up or not, except in the cases where it is demonstrably false.

So before we can determine if Jesus was or is a liar we need to determine a few other things.

  • Was Jesus even a real person?
  • What did he actually say? (Remember Jesus wrote nothing, there is nothing directly from him)
  • Did the new testament writers ever meet him?
  • Why is the bible more accurate than a Koran or any other religious text claim to authority and salvation?
  • Has anyone ever been to Heaven?
  • Is there life after death?
  • Why do the supposedly good people in heaven happily go along with the suffering and damnation of billions of people in hell?

The only real certainty is death and I understand people fear it and you should because since there is no evidence to the contrary it is likely the end of everything you know… but then you wouldn’t really know that you would, you would just be dead. Enjoy life while you can.

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June 26, 2008 - Posted by | Nonsense, Religion, Superstition, Uncategorized | , , ,

1 Comment »

  1. Hello Thymes,

    I saw your comment on Pharnygula and followed it to your blog. I want to answer three of the questions.

    Was Jesus a real person?Yes. The evidence is overwhelming.

    Why is the bible more accurate than a Koran or any other religious text claim to authority and salvation?. It’s not. Nor does it claim to be. Such claims are made by Christians. I think parts of the Bible are inspired and parts are nonsense. I look for the parts that are inspired. Another book I would consider to be partly inspired is “The Road Less Traveled” by Scott Peck. Or how about the sermons of Martin Luther King?

    Why do the supposedly good people in heaven happily go along with the suffering and damnation of billions of people in hell?If you have read the Bible you may have discovered that it is full of contradictions. There are probably less that five scriptures that actually talk about eternal damnation while there are quite a few that imply that evil people don’t have an after life. They are destroyed and cease to exist. Consider the most quoted scripture, John 3:16. What do you think is meant by “perish”?

    Comment by Randy Stimpson aka Intelligent Designer | August 4, 2008 | Reply


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