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Are Christians Evil?

For that matter are all people evil? Is this something that Christianity teaches? I recently wrote a post about Ray Comforts Atheist Starter Kit. In the comments to that post there is an ongoing discussion with a commenter named Russ. In this discussion he brought up the idea that people are evil by their very nature. I have found this concept to be intriguing and felt that these comments deserved some wider review.  Here are a couple of the relevant comments regarding the idea that all people are evil.

On August 7, 2008 at 12:01 pm Russ Said: |Edit This
No, I do not believe that Jesus was the only person to be unjustly punished and yes, I agree, people can be brutal to others for no just cause. But why? Why are people vicious and brutal to others for no reason? I believe the reason that men do evil things is because men are evil by nature.

This is exactly what the Bible testifies concerning man. The Bible declares that mankind is evil by nature.

“The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? [Jer 17:9]

And Jesus said, “”For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.” [Mark 7:21-23]

And the Bible says that this is why Jesus was crucified. Because He testifies that mankind is evil.

The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil. [John 7:7]

The crucifixion of Jesus is the ultimate testimony of the evil nature of mankind for mankind brutally murdered the Prince of Peace.

But the crucifixion of Jesus Christ not only testifies of the evil nature of man, it also testifies of the love of God for it was on the cross that Jesus paid the price for our sin by dying in our place. He took the punishment that we deserve – death – so that we could be reconciled to God.

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. [2 Cor 5:21]

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. [Rom 6:23]

The Bible clearly testifies to mankind that we are evil by nature. And because man is evil by nature, mankind is condemned but the Bible also testifies that God loves us and is not willing that any should perish.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. [2 Per 3:9]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. [John 3:16]

I responded to this belief asking if he knows himself to be evil, to which he freely agree that he knows he is an evil person.

On August 8, 2008 at 5:42 pm Russ Said: |Edit This
Absolutely I believe that I am evil by nature. That is why I need a Savior and that is why you need a savior as well because we are all made of the same flesh and we all have the same evil desires:

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries… [Gal 5:19-21]

But when a person becomes a Christian, God gives them new desires:

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. [2 Cor 5:17]

He agrees that he is evil, but since he is a christian he has been given new I assume non evil desires. However his nature is evil. This is a concept that he is supporting by using biblical quotes. You can read the comments back over at the original post. What interests me here is if you are a Christian (define that as you will) I have a few questions regarding this and your beliefs on the topic… because after years of Catholic school the idea that ALL people are evil by their nature was not discussed in any major way and I don’t recall it being applied to all people.

  1. Do you agree that ALL people are evil by nature? That people are born evil?
  2. If you  agree with question 1 do you agree that you know yourself to be evil?
  3. If you were not christian would you succumb to your evil nature and engage in any of the acts listed by Russ above?… adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries
  4. what stops the other 4 Billion christians from not being evil?

I personally do not believe people are born good or evil per se, for me these questions are a bit more involved and complicated, in future posts maybe I can explore my thoughts on specific moral quandaries of good and evil. However for now I am as I began, intrigued by this idea that bible teaches us all people are evil by their nature and how it relates to people’s concept of Christianity and their view of themselves?

Please share your thoughts…

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August 11, 2008 - Posted by | Opinion, Religion, Skepticism | , ,

3 Comments »

  1. Hi all, as a slightly off topic comment/request, I’m hosting a survey on my blog to collect data about people’s use of religious labels — and I’d really sure appreciate your input! Thanks in advance. http://truthisawoman.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/religious-labels-an-online-poll-please-help/

    Comment by Tyson Koska | August 11, 2008 | Reply

  2. This post answers your question.

    http://lastline.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/on-christian-testimony-part-one-a-preface/

    Comment by Russ | August 12, 2008 | Reply

  3. It does, but not in 10 easy to quantify questions!

    Comment by Tyson Koska | August 12, 2008 | Reply


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